More from Antonahill:
>Second, AA does NOT encourage members to leave society, but rather encourages them to become contributing members of it.
True (to some extent), but Scientology doesn’t encourage people to leave society completely either. This is a question of degrees. Is it possible to be in AA, be an active member, and have “normal” friends outside who engage in behavior that AA looks down on? Sure. But the fact of the matter is that the level of encouragement or discouragement that AA and its members levy upon certain behaviors is very much in a cult mindset.
“Normal” friends who engage in behavior that AA looks down on. Well, being an active member, I would also then look down on those behaviors, wouldn’t I? The truth is that many sober people, and speaking for myself, I find absolutely no fun or enjoyment in hanging out with people who are drinking or taking drugs. Really it lost all its charm for me when I stopped. At the beginning, I may have been vulnerable to relapse and so well-informed AAs would encourage me not to hang out with people who are doing the thing I seek to avoid. This only makes sense. Now, most days I am well beyond the danger of relapse and I have no desire to be around people who are engaging. Once in a while, an occasion demands that I be around them, and this shows me again from time to time that this is not where I want to be.
At this stage of my life and my recovery, there really isn’t anyone who’s concerned about it if I should decide to go to happy hour with the people from work. No one views this as dangerous for me and they neither encourage nor discourage me. When someone is new in the program, it’s important that the newcomer experiences some sober time, to see if this will work for that person. In that case, it’s very human to be tempted and to succumb, and so I, along with many other AAs, would discourage it and expose it as potentially dangerous. We also suggest that the newcomer bring phone numbers and maybe another sober person along for support. And you know what happens when someone doesn’t follow those suggestions? Not a darn thing. No cultlike behavior here.
>There are some lesser points that show to me that AA is not a cult in the negative sense. AA does not take financial control of a person, and is actually free to members, and discourages large donations made by individuals. There is not a charismatic leader.
I’ve already addressed this point, but yes, there are two. Any figure who is lifted onto a pedestal over the “regular” people can be considered a charismatic leader. In my experience, Dr. Bob and Bill W were treated as saints. Every word they had written was held aloft as divine wisdom. And so what of criticism? Plenty of cults, such as the Chabad movement, employ self-criticism.
OK so we’ll ignore the financial aspect, since AA is decidedly not cultlike in that way. And that is not to be minimized. Much of what we fear and dislike about cults, much of what is dangerous, is the way they take what ultimately matters, the money and property, of their adherents. AA does not do this.
As for the sainthood of the founders, what they have written is certainly held aloft as wisdom, divinely inspired or simply divine. Much more so Bill W than Dr. Bob, and personally I am always astonished and eternally grateful that the man had such a gift for writing. I’ve heard plenty of criticism of Bill W and of some, admittedly few parts of what he has written, both in and out of AA. It’s also been my experience that some AA members revere and try to interpret the AA literature literally, and try not to deviate from what they see as the exact written word.
I’m not like that, and I have had no problem getting on in AA with my liberal point of view. To me, people who try to do this are like people who try to literally interpret the Bible, and I think both camps are missing the point. Just as there can be fanatic and rigid Christians, there can be fanatic and rigid AAs. In my experience, there are not many AAs like this. But the fact that they exist does not negate the fact that there are many more moderate, thinking, questioning, practicing AAs than there are fanatics. Extreme Christians would not make me suggest that Christianity is a cult. Extreme AAs do not make me see the point that AA is a cult.
I thought I could wrap this up but there’s too much here. More to follow.
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